[The Silver Cities]

Many thanks for allowing us the opportunity to claim land in the IDU map. I wish to know if I could claim the stretch of land bordering Paradica, to the south of Gnejs, as it seems that land is not assigned to a particular nation. If that land is unavailable, I would also be willing to make a claim to the unassigned stretch of land on the Eastern border of Disjunction, and on the Northern border of Enn. If either of these areas are available, please let me know.

Thank you, -V

[Bears Armed]

The Silver CitiesJun 5 2016, 08:01:01 PMMany thanks for allowing us the opportunity to claim land in the IDU map. I wish to know if I could claim the stretch of land bordering Paradica, to the south of Gnejs, as it seems that land is not assigned to a particular nation. If that land is unavailable, I would also be willing to make a claim to the unassigned stretch of land on the Eastern border of Disjunction, and on the Northern border of Enn. If either of these areas are available, please let me know.

Thank you, -V[/quote]Yes, both of those areas are available... and in fact Enn actually gave us permission to reassign his former lands (and a later version of the map, when he briefly returned to urrs, had his replacement 'Remnants of Enn' nation located somewhere else instead) so that would be possible as well.

The area next to Paradicia once belonged to a nation with an Australian [but not 'Australian desert'] theme, way back in the region's earliest days (before I first joined...), so there might be some lingering influences on the local wildlife unless you want your nation to arrive with a complete flora & fauna of its own to replace all of the former contents entirely-- but intrusions by more competitive species from the neighbouring areas might already have replaced some of it anyhows. Its western side is a bit warmer & probably wetter than one might expect due to the ['warm temperate belt'] latitude, due to the same "leakage" from another reality that lets southern & central Malabra -- on the other side of the Iapetus Ocean, as you can see -- contain a fairly large area of tropical rain-forest.

[Cagontia]

So, now that I am in the west of what used to be Keeslandia, what do I do?

[Bears Armed]

CagontiaJul 9 2016, 08:18:15 PMSo, now that I am in the west of what used to be Keeslandia, what do I do?[/quote]We really need the Cartographer to get on with converting Dom's map (https://app.box.com/shared/fqplfsbso0 ) into a form that's easier for other people to use, before we can actually add borders to it.
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However we can get on with putting together a record of information that's to be added to the map itself when doing so actually becomes feasible.

Can you tell urrs how much of the former Keeslandia you're taking over, by referring to such matters as the shape of the coast, rivers, and the neighbouring nations? Maybeso that's as far east as the major river that also drains most of Bears Armed [Mainland]?

Do you have any particular site, or at least type of site (coastal or landlocked, on a major river, on a border, near one edge or more central, etc) in mind for the capital city?

[Cagontia]

I've attached a screenshot and then a simple MS Paint rendering of what I might envision for Cagontia and Heklocharis.

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[Bears Armed]

CagontiaJul 10 2016, 05:37:25 PMI've attached a screenshot and then a simple MS Paint rendering of what I might envision for Cagontia and Heklocharis.[/quote]Noted. just a couple of questions_

1/. Why the straight-line western border that you envisage for Heklocharis? In RL straight-line national borders seem to exist only where two "powers" divided an area between themselves, or one nation has split, so what would have required Heklocharis to accept that limitation here instead of -- for example -- expanding all of the way to the western coast?

2/. Would you mind if Cagontia didn't include one particular -- and relatively small -- section of the lands that you've included within its currently-suggested borders?
The Bears were rather hoping to simplify their own northern border by picking up that triangle where the two rivers that form most of that line flow into former Keeslandic territory before merging, so that we'd have the rivers as all of that border...
(There's also an even smaller section of former Keeslandia south of a loop in one of those rivers that the Bears were hoping to acquire, but that's further east than the Cagontian claims.)


:Bear:

[Cagontia]

Bears ArmedJul 25 2016, 05:08:41 PM1/. Why the straight-line western border that you envisage for Heklocharis? In RL straight-line national borders seem to exist only where two "powers" divided an area between themselves, or one nation has split, so what would have required Heklocharis to accept that limitation here instead of -- for example -- expanding all of the way to the western coast?

2/. Would you mind if Cagontia didn't include one particular -- and relatively small -- section of the lands that you've included within its currently-suggested borders?
The Bears were rather hoping to simplify their own northern border by picking up that triangle where the two rivers that form most of that line flow into former Keeslandic territory before merging, so that we'd have the rivers as all of that border...
(There's also an even smaller section of former Keeslandia south of a loop in one of those rivers that the Bears were hoping to acquire, but that's further east than the Cagontian claims.) [/quote]1. Heklocharis is a former colony of Hekloslogravia that originally had an indefinite southern boundary. Its other bounds were the coast (north), Cagontia (east), and an arbitrary line of longitude (W). It eventually extended its southern border to the nations below it. Also, OCC reasons are that it keeps me from taking up too much space that other new nations could potentially use and I wasn't sure what geographic features other than major rivers were in the region.

2. Sounds fine by me. I didn't quite understand why the border was off there, but I was trying not to leave this bizarre unclaimed zone.

[Bears Armed]

CagontiaJul 26 2016, 02:32:23 AM1. Heklocharis is a former colony of Hekloslogravia that originally had an indefinite southern boundary. Its other bounds were the coast (north), Cagontia (east), and an arbitrary line of longitude (W). It eventually extended its southern border to the nations below it. Also, OCC reasons are that it keeps me from taking up too much space that other new nations could potentially use and I wasn't sure what geographic features other than major rivers were in the region.

2. Sounds fine by me. I didn't quite understand why the border was off there, but I was trying not to leave this bizarre unclaimed zone.[/quote]1. I'll have another look for my copy of Dom's topographical map: Already found that once this year, but seem to have misfiled it again...
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2. The border running across the "base" of that triangle, rather than following the rivers was a detail that Keeslandia's player apparently had decided before the Bears [OOC] claimed their place on the map.

[Cagontia]

Bears ArmedJul 27 2016, 06:22:53 PM1. I'll have another look for my copy of Dom's topographical map: Already found that once this year, but seem to have misfiled it again...[/quote]Ok, sounds good. I may keep the straight line to the north, but as it gets further south I may employ a sensible natural boundary if there is one.

[Bears Armed]

Found it, and I'll try to get a copy posted online this weekend.

According to Dom's map you've got an arc of mountains in the south of both nations, within which the south-flowing rivers arise, with those highlands sloping more gently towards the north than towards the south and a wide line of lower uplands extending north-eastwards for part of the distance to the coast: It looks as though part of your proposed boundary between your two nations here runs along a line that could plausibly be an east/west watershed in those uplands. Apart from that, there are no "major" topographical features present unless you yourself want to add any, and so all but [maybeso] the southernmost end of of your westernmost border has no "obvious" line.

[The Silver Cities]

I apologize for our lack of activity in this subject. We inquired about the land to the west of Paradica (across from Gnejs to the south) a while ago; after much deliberation, PM O'Donnell has requested to claim the area. (We do realize that if the revised map is adopted, said area will cease to exist. In that event, we will look for other lands to settle. Apologies for any inconvenience that may cause.) Sharing the channel connecting the Iapetus Sea to the eastern waters with an economic powerhouse such as Gnejs would provide plentiful opportunities for both of our economies, and the region as a whole.

As for topography, we would like to request an "overwrite" of the former flora and fauna of the area, which, from what we understood, was not outside the realm of possibility. Our nation's geography is comparable to that of Austria; our southern half is dominated by mountains, with forested foothills covering most of the central region near the massive lake in the center of the area. The north is largely plains and prairie, usually accompanied by maritime climates.

Our flora and fauna are typical of a central European country. Birds, fish, deer and mountain animals are plentiful.

As for the land to the south of our area, immediately north of Enn, we have no interest in it for the time being. We would rather allow another member to settle there. Feistily claiming everything in sight was nearly how an encroaching power nearly took our sovereignty, after all.

I apologize if I've rambled on, but I hope we can claim this land without much difficulty. If the land had already been claimed while we were away, we will negotiate other lands to settle.

Thank you,
-V

[Bears Armed]

The Silver CitiesOct 15 2016, 11:12:48 PMI apologize for our lack of activity in this subject. We inquired about the land to the west of Paradica (across from Gnejs to the south) a while ago; after much deliberation, PM O'Donnell has requested to claim the area. (We do realize that if the revised map is adopted, said area will cease to exist. In that event, we will look for other lands to settle. Apologies for any inconvenience that may cause.) Sharing the channel connecting the Iapetus Sea to the eastern waters with an economic powerhouse such as Gnejs would provide plentiful opportunities for both of our economies, and the region as a whole.

As for topography, we would like to request an "overwrite" of the former flora and fauna of the area, which, from what we understood, was not outside the realm of possibility. Our nation's geography is comparable to that of Austria; our southern half is dominated by mountains, with forested foothills covering most of the central region near the massive lake in the center of the area. The north is largely plains and prairie, usually accompanied by maritime climates.

Our flora and fauna are typical of a central European country. Birds, fish, deer and mountain animals are plentiful.

As for the land to the south of our area, immediately north of Enn, we have no interest in it for the time being. We would rather allow another member to settle there. Feistily claiming everything in sight was nearly how an encroaching power nearly took our sovereignty, after all.

I apologize if I've rambled on, but I hope we can claim this land without much difficulty. If the land had already been claimed while we were away, we will negotiate other lands to settle.

Thank you,
-V[/quote]That land was still available for you, and a fauna & flora comparable to Austria's would fit the regional pattern well enough anyhows so that's no problem.

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[The Silver Cities]

Bears Armed That land was still available for you, and a fauna & flora comparable to Austria's would fit the regional pattern well enough anyhows so that's no problem.[/quote]

Many thanks. If permissible, we will move forward with our relocation, then.
-V

[Bears Armed]

Do those all have to be exactly the same species as in RL Austria, or where we have a closely-related one of our own could that be present instead? For example, if a single species is found in both Eurasia and North America (e.g. brown bear, wolf, elk/moose) then we have that same species as well but if those two RL continents have a pair of separate-but-related species instead (e.g. northern lynx / Canadian lynx, red deer / 'elk' ['wapiti'], beaver, or bison) then we generally have another separate-but-related species of our own.
Also, do you want any species that used to live in Austria but that became extinct relatively recently, e.g. Aurochs (wild cattle) and Tarpan (wild horse)?

[Cagontia]

On a side note...

Is Sayar still the cartographer? If so (or even if not), was a new map ever created?

[Bears Armed]

CagontiaNov 2 2016, 12:27:32 AMOn a side note...

Is Sayar still the cartographer? If so (or even if not), was a new map ever created?[/quote]As far as I know, they haven't announced anything since being appointed. Whether they're still Cartographer is a matter for our delegate to determine, of course...


On a side note, how do you feel about saying that the area across the straight-line border to your west is the residual Keeslandian nation?

:Bear:

[Cagontia]

Bears ArmedNov 2 2016, 05:44:45 PMOn a side note, how do you feel about saying that the area across the straight-line border to your west is the residual Keeslandian nation?

:Bear: [/quote]I'd be fine with that. We could even make the line sorted as more of an I'll-defined or amorphous border.

[Laeral]

If we're using Domnomia's map, I'd like Laeral and High Fells to have an area around the Iapetus Sea, maybe where Domnonia or Disjunction were or that blank space to the east by Paradica. My nations have northern european-like climates.

[Cagontia]

LaeralNov 27 2016, 07:16:48 PMIf we're using Domnomia's map, I'd like Laeral and High Fells to have an area around the Iapetus Sea, maybe where Domnonia or Disjunction were or that blank space to the east by Paradica. My nations have northern european-like climates.[/quote]Is there something we can do to jumpstart progress on the map?

[Bears Armed]

LaeralNov 27 2016, 07:16:48 PMIf we're using Domnomia's map, I'd like Laeral and High Fells to have an area around the Iapetus Sea, maybe where Domnonia or Disjunction were or that blank space to the east by Paradica. My nations have northern european-like climates.[/quote]

The Silver Cities is in part of that "blank space to the east by Paradica", so you do decide on that end of the continent the you'll have to sort out a border with them.


How about the Fonzoland/South Antrium area, south-west of Domnonia?

:Bear:

[Bears Armed]

CagontiaNov 29 2016, 06:49:04 AMIs there something we can do to jumpstart progress on the map?[/quote]Ask the Delegate to check whether the appointed Cartographer is actually working on this, and if the answer is "No" then to find & appoint a new cartographer?

:Bear:

[Laeral]

Bears ArmedNov 29 2016, 06:18:28 PMLaeralNov 27 2016, 07:16:48 PMIf we're using Domnomia's map, I'd like Laeral and High Fells to have an area around the Iapetus Sea, maybe where Domnonia or Disjunction were or that blank space to the east by Paradica. My nations have northern european-like climates.[/quote]

The Silver Cities is in part of that "blank space to the east by Paradica", so you do decide on that end of the continent the you'll have to sort out a border with them.


How about the Fonzoland/South Antrium area, south-west of Domnonia?

:Bear: [/quote]That sounds good. I'm getting pretty big though- maybe Fonzoland, Tomar, and South Andrium? If that doesn't work out, I'll just take Tomar and South Antrium, because I need a large coast for my trout fishing industry.

[Laeral]

Also, a friend of mine, Slokais Islands, would like his archipelago to be in the Iapetus Sea, near Laeral.

[Laeral]

What happened to this thread? Only a few months ago it was quite active...

Anyway, I'm hoping that a new regional Cartographer can be appointed by whoever wins the Delegate election. Does anyone want the position?

[Laeral]

Vexam, the new regional cartographer, has started a Google sheet to corral our various nation sizes, and populations based on those nation sizes. The link is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...edit#gid=0