[Yuunli]

What do you think about creating an international highway system that connects the nations on the IDU map? What I have in mind is something like the RL E-road network, or at least an equivalent of the Trans-Canada Highway.

Do you think that is feasible? Would you participate? Can you suggest some routes?

[Mikitivity]

My government would participate. Furthermore, we'd like to suggestion that IDU road networks should try to compromise between hitting major cities, and also making travel easy.

[Keeslandia]

As a land-large nation, the Empire of Keeslandia would be very interested in exploring this possibility.

[Grosseschnauzer]

Other IDU nations might want to consider our approach:
Schnauzerlands surface transportation plans announced

[Antrium]

Antrium was already planning an interstate system for inside its borders, and would be glad to participate.

[Malabra]

We'll be participating also.

[Sober Thought]

Sober Thought would like to participate as well, but the country is really lagging with the roleplaying maps and Wiki entries. I like Grosseschauzer's rail-road links, and in the few NS entries I planned, I explored how different provinces spent their transportation Denkmarks on rail, road, water and air transportation.

I'm not sure how the funding for E-roads work, but I'm sure Yuunli has a web page (in addition to his Wiki reference) on it to go with the PLZ / ZIP code ones. The Trans-Canada Highway combines some federal funding and coordination, but mainly relies on the provinces to create and maintain their own highways which sort of run together. Thus, the TransCan is co-signed and co-sited with existing highways, e.g., the northern route of the TransCan is also the Yellowhead Highway a.ka. Highway 16 (I think it might bear that number in several provinces). Perhaps the European routes work the same way?

Since we have already started creating codes for our nations, how about making IDU highways appear with that prefix and others with the relevant two-letter (e.g., IDU-1 may also be GS-10)? And I think the general outlay of the US Interstates is good: odd numbers are north-south, even numbers are east-west, low numbers in the west and south. And if the US is ever foolish enough to admit Canadian provinces into the Union, the TransCan can become I-98 (if New York or Maine doesn't claim the number first!).

However, I'd reject the three digit Interstate urban bypasses because it's too big of a waste for good and scarce numbers. Could we use three digit highways for feeders to the main arteries, alternate routes or secondary highways?

Rail corridors don't have quite the same naming requirements, so perhaps just lines that link up at borders are enough? I remember months ago, when Domnonia first started the regional map, I was keen to hook up with the Mikibahn and that can still happen without specific naming conventions.

[Grosseschnauzer]

The waste in the US Interstate numbering system is the insistence of having the main interstates only end in "5" or "0." As to the triple-digit Interstates, they are used both for bypasses, or for spurs off of a major interstate. Interstate 195 in Miami, is the shortest interstate highway in the US.

But I like the numbering scheme as a whole. What is likely to happen within the schnauzerlands is that the highway/railway internal numbers will be the same within the schnauzerlands, and the IDU number will be added on.

I think the rail system is likely going need some sort of designation, so why not IDU Rail with the numbering in reverse (i.e., lowest number to the east and north, highest numbers to the west and south, and and maybe use three digits all the way.

I'm going need to wait until there an updated population map with the boundaries already on it to update for more cities and to show the highways, railways, international airports and tunnel/bridges. I've not had any luck with the graphics programs I have to copy and paste in the three newly found islands onto the geo-population map Domnonia did off my first effort, so I may have to wait until he comes back.

[Antrium]

Quote: Since we have already started creating codes for our nations, how about making IDU highways appear with that prefix and others with the relevant two-letter (e.g., IDU-1 may also be GS-10)? And I think the general outlay of the US Interstates is good: odd numbers are north-south, even numbers are east-west, low numbers in the west and south. And if the US is ever foolish enough to admit Canadian provinces into the Union, the TransCan can become I-98 (if New York or Maine doesn't claim the number first!). 
[/quote]

I like the country codes idea, and also, being from the US, the even-odd plan makes sense to me.

[Lloegr-Cymru]

While Lloegr-Cymru would love to participate, as an Archipelago, we wouldn't really benefit in any meaningful way. But, still, our funds are available to the IDU coffers for the project.

[Antrium]

Quote: While Lloegr-Cymru would love to participate, as an Archipelago, we wouldn't really benefit in any meaningful way. But, still, our funds are available to the IDU coffers for the project. [/quote]

Well, could ferry routes be included in this system? That way all countries could be connected.

[Grosseschnauzer]

Lloegr-CymruAug 31 2005, 02:53 AM While Lloegr-Cymru would love to participate, as an Archipelago, we wouldn't really benefit in any meaningful way. But, still, our funds are available to the IDU coffers for the project. [/quote]
Actually, the RL state of Hawaii has not one, but two, interstate highways H-1, and H-2.

[Yuunli]

I don't have a web page for it, but I can quote Wikipedia:
Quote: The international E-road network is a network of roads in Europe, numbered E1 and up. They cross national borders and are the responsibility of the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE). In some countries like Germany, roads carry the European route designation beside national road numbers. Other countries like Sweden have roads with exclusive European route signage. Other continents have similar international road networks: e.g. the Pan-American_Highway in the Americas, and the Asian Highway Network.

The route numbering system, defined by UNECE since 1975, went through a major change in 1992 and is now as follows (text and layout slightly modified from the original for clarity of understanding):

  1. Reference roads and intermediate roads, called Class-A roads, have two-digit numbers. Branch, link and connecting roads, called Class-B roads, have three-digit numbers.
  2. In general:
          * North-south reference roads have two-digit odd numbers terminating in the figure 5 and increasing from west to east.
          * East-west reference roads have two-digit even numbers terminating in the figure 0 and increasing from north to south.
          * Intermediate roads have two-digit odd (north-south) and two-digit even (west-east) numbers between the numbers of the reference roads between which they are located.
          * Class-B roads have three-digit numbers, the first digit being that of the nearest reference road to the north, the second digit being that of the nearest reference road to the west, and the third digit being a serial number.
  3. North-south Class-A roads located eastwards of road E99 have three-digit odd numbers from 101 to 129. Other rules mentioned in paragraph 2 above apply to these roads.
  4. Class-B roads located eastwards of E101 have 3-digit numbers, beginning with 0, from 001 to 099.[/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internation...ad_network


German Autobahnen have a different numbering system:
Quote: Odd-numbered autobahns usually run in north-south direction, while east-west autobahns have even numbers. Single-digit numbers indicate major routes of (inter)national significance, while three-digit autobahns are usually only significant to local traffic. For two- and three-digit autobahns the first digit roughly indicates the part of Germany that particular autobahn is located in. Within each block of numbers the numbers increase from north to south and from west to east.[/quote]
I live near in a region that hosts the southern end of A 1, the western end of A 6 and A 8, and two minor highways: A 620 and A 623. Our postal codes and telephone area codes also start with the digit 6.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mot...in_Germany

[Lawtonia]

A Map with everyone's major cities would be helpful for international rail links/highways. As soon as Lawtonia has finished building its capital it plans to lay down transport infrstructure including highways, rail, Ferry/cruise ship terminals and airports. Also consider a spaceport in the north of my country - at this stage for commerical satellite launches.

[Groot Gouda]

This is a great idea. We should focus first on connecting the capitals of the countries.

The best way to do it is use the European E-system which basically uses the existing highways. For example, IRL I live near the A12, which is also the E30. The E30 continues over the (guessing a bit here) A27 and A1 before going into Germany. It ends up in Moscow I think (I only used it until Warsaw).

So the first step would be for each nation to consider their national road network, and see how we can connect it up. Normally, borders are a fairly big barrier for roads so there won't be a lot of major international border crossings by highway anyway.

[Yuunli]

Groot GoudaAug 31 2005, 04:24 PMNormally, borders are a fairly big barrier for roads so there won't be a lot of major international border crossings by highway anyway.[/quote]
No? Why? I don't think that's much more complicated than a toll booth.

I live just a few km from where the German A 6 comes the French A 320, but I don't know what it's like there. But I do remember the border crossing where Interstate 91 becomes Autoroute 55.

By the way: The capital of Yuunli is Tenkaz, which is at the south-east of our island part, facing Keeslandia.
Tenkaz is connected to two restricted-access highways of the official Mich-Inzl expressway system: I runs along the south coast, ? bypasses the small mountain range near Tenkaz.

[Groot Gouda]

YuunliAug 31 2005, 06:28 PM Groot GoudaAug 31 2005, 04:24 PMNormally, borders are a fairly big barrier for roads so there won't be a lot of major international border crossings by highway anyway.[/quote]
No? Why? I don't think that's much more complicated than a toll booth. [/quote]
The psychological (and jurisdictional) implications of a border. And of course the frequent habit of placing the border on an inaccessible place such as rivers, seas or mountains. But even on easy terrain, roads and railroads tend to stop or bend off before a border.

I know. I'm a geographer

[Domnonia]

Domnonia has reclassified it's TransDomi Highway system to fit into that of its neighbour, Antrium. The former TransDomi highways are now known as DO1 North, South, Metro, Sendar and West repectively. DO1North joins with AN1 on the Domnonian/Antrium border at Isca, Algaria.

We believe that in time the DO1 and AN1 highways could become a foundation for a TransIDU Highway system.

This map only details roadways that the federal government maintains and administers. For provincial and local roadways, see our NSWiki entry.

[Antrium]

DomnoniaSep 11 2005, 08:45 PM Domnonia has reclassified it's TransDomi Highway system to fit into that of its neighbour, Antrium. The former TransDomi highways are now known as DO1 North, South, Metro, Sendar and West repectively. DO1North joins with AN1 on the Domnonian/Antrium border at Isca, Algaria.

We believe that in time the DO1 and AN1 highways could become a foundation for a TransIDU Highway system.

This map only details roadways that the federal government maintains and administers. For provincial and local roadways, see our NSWiki entry. [/quote]
Antrium is pleased with Domnonia's decision to unite the systems, and also thinks AN1-DO1 could be a start of the TransIDU highway.

By the way, what you have marked as AN3 is actually AN4, and what you have as AN2 is actually AN3, unless the 2 is a Hiel highway number. My map was rather unclear actually, I should have made a color-coded map, sorry for any confusion


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[Domnonia]

Correction noted.

[Lawtonia]

While Lawtonia relies on a network of monorails rather than highways. The Free Land of Lawtonia future transport infrasctructure plan Phase 1 includes a transnational highway which will run from the border of Disjunction through to the North East of Lawtonia. Phase 2 will involve negotiations with the people of the frmer nation of Riconiaa and The Most Serene Republic of Poking the Devil to build two undersea tunnels and a highway across Riconiaa to link The Free Land of Lawtonia and The Most Serene Republic of Poking the Devil. Depending on the transport policies of Poking the Devil, this highway may eventually link up to the Domnonian border.

[Yuunli]

Here's a map of the major highways in Chirachi (the continental part of Yuunli). The different shades of red are the roads, the black lines are provincial borders, and the black letters are the two-letter codes of the provinces.

There are no road numbers on the map, because those are in the responsibility of the individual provinces.

Note that the Yuunli-Flankia border is currently closed...

OOC to all neighbors: I can still redirect those highways to make them better fit your highway systems.

[Yuunli]

Here's a traffic sign from the dark red highway (Poichbiezn highway 1, eastbound), giving the distances to the next major cities. The thing that looks like "OOB" is actually "KZ" in the Poirih alphabet, the code for the Kazua province.


Traffic signs on Mich-Inzl (the island part of Yuunli) look different. An example from the KH expressway (Oipach highway 2; Poirih KH looks like "8b") southbound, just before exit 246:



http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Y...i_traffic_signs