[Antrium]

I suddenly feel the need to write another UN proposal. I think Groot's success inspired me

So, I went back and looked at resolution 141: Repeal "The Law of the Sea", and remembered this:
Resolution #141 written by Gruenberg2. IMPLORES the General Assembly to ensure speedy replacement of certain admittedly important aspects of "The Law of the Sea" concerning the sovereignty of territorial waters, and its well-intentioned but ineffectively and dangerously executed attempts to combat piracy.[/quote]

I want to focus only on outlawing piracy. I think the other issues would be better dealt with in separate resolutions.

I just want to know if anyone thinks this is a good idea, or has any ideas I should incorporate. If it is, I'll start writing a rough draft soon.

Opinions/ideas please

[Groot Gouda]

CONSIDERING Orlando Bloom,

ALSO CONSIDERING Johnny Depp,

MANDATES that pirates should be sexy,

AFFIRMS the Caribbean as the best place for pirates,

FORBIDS all other piracy.

[Jonquiere-Tadoussac]

Groot GoudaMar 17 2006, 03:13 PM CONSIDERING Orlando Bloom,

ALSO CONSIDERING Johnny Depp,

MANDATES that pirates should be sexy,

AFFIRMS the Caribbean as the best place for pirates,

FORBIDS all other piracy. [/quote]
Illegal. RL references.

But seriously...

There could be a place for this... just again remember the HUGE loopholes in the old resolution (as you have already referenced).

I'm ready to start deconstructing a proposal, should you be willing to post one... :ph43r:

[Sausage Arabia]

(Just a reminder that I am Gruenberg.)

I would strongly support this. The reason I haven't, as I originally intended to, tackled this is...well, it's hard. I'll try to pitch in any ideas I have; certainly, you need to avoid what I did with my first proposal ever (which was along these lines) and accidentally ban war.

[Antrium]

I haven't forgotten about this, surprisingly.

Here's a short rough draft I just wrote:
Quote: Outlawing Piracy (cat: International Security str: mild)

NOTING the good intentions of NSUN Resolution #74, ?The Law of the Sea?, and its repeal, Resolution #141,

CONVINCED that piracy is a threat to international trade and safety at sea,

DECLARES that piracy, or the harboring of known pirates, shall be illegal in all UN member nations,

DEFINES for the purposes of this resolution, piracy as ?taking a ship or its contents from those legally entitled to it, or committing an act of violence towards a ship or its legal owners,?

ALLOWS nations to hire privateers, here defined as ?pirates hired by a government,? against enemy nations during times of declared war,

HOPES to improve safety in international trade and travel by sea.[/quote]

Feel free to suggest, criticize, add, take away, change, deconstruct, or destroy as needed, I'm sure it needs some work

[Eisophca]

The draft is a good start, but it's got very major problems. First, you've banned navies. Also, I'm not really sure how this could be enforced, because pirates aren't really acting under the jurisdiction of any nation, so I don't see how they could be punished. Another thing is that, in its current form, we don't need a resolution for it: any sane nation would outlaw piracy. I'll give you some ideas for your draft in the next couple of days (not tomorrow though).

[Antrium]

CeoranaApr 16 2006, 12:22 AM The draft is a good start, but it's got very major problems. First, you've banned navies. Also, I'm not really sure how this could be enforced, because pirates aren't really acting under the jurisdiction of any nation, so I don't see how they could be punished. Another thing is that, in its current form, we don't need a resolution for it: any sane nation would outlaw piracy. I'll give you some ideas for your draft in the next couple of days (not tomorrow though). [/quote]
I was afraid that I might have banned navies, however I thought maybe that defining the navy as a whole bunch of privateers would make it legal, but going back and reading that, that clause doesn't make a lot of sense and some words need to be added.

Actually, I never thought about the punishment part. That needs to be fixed I guess.

If there was a resolution on it before, I guess there should be now.

I wrote that at midnight...I know it's going to take a lot of work.

[Stolidia]

Since Stolidia is a landlocked nation and not a UN member anyway, this doesn't concern us at all. But someone in the Ausserland Foreign Ministry asked me to provide a few comments given to them by their protectorate, Wailele Island. (Ausserland is a landlocked nation, too.)

The people from Ausserland said they would definitely support a good, sound anti-piracy resolution. It's clearly an international concern. They also believe it has potential for stimulating interesting debate in the forums.

One thing that could be done in the enforcement line is to prohibit UN nations from granting port rights or safe haven to pirates. You could also have something requiring nations to sieze and impound pirates' ill-gotten gains if found within a nation's territory (land) or in territorial waters.

You would need to tread very carefully when dealing with enforcement to avoid the issue raised (unconvincingly, to Ausserland) during repeal of "Law of the Sea" about exerting jurisdiction over international waters. Nations clearly have jurisdiction over their territories and territorial waters and over ships of their national registries. Other than that, it gets iffy.

Privateers could be defined as "persons acting against ships of a belligerent nation in time of war and in accordance with letters of marque and reprisal issued by a national government." This would need to be worded so that nation of registry is the criterion for a legitimate target.

You really do need something that would exclude acts by legitimately constituted navies from the proposal's provisions. That would have to be very carefully done, though, or you could end up with navies of pirates.

You might want to consider outlawing privateering altogether. There's precedent for that in the mythical land of RL.

[Eisophca]

Here's a suggested rewrite.
Quote: Outlawing Piracy (cat: International Security str: mild)

NOTING the good intentions of NSUN Resolution #74, ?The Law of the Sea?, and its repeal, Resolution #141,

CONVINCED that piracy is a threat to international trade and safety at sea,

HOPING to improve safety in international trade and travel by sea.

1. DEFINES for the purposes of this resolution, "piracy" as the act of taking a ship or its contents from those legally entitled to it, or committing an act of violence towards a ship or its legal owners, except in cases where this is done in the course of war, and "pirates" as those partaking in piracy,

2. CREATES the United Nations Survey of Maritime Wrongdoers and International Pirates (UNSMWIP) for the purpose of maintaining and publishing a database of known pirates;

3. DECLARES that piracy, or knowingly giving comfort to pirates, shall be illegal in all UN member nations;

4. STRONGLY URGES nations to assist in the capturing of pirates, especially when such  pirates are in the maritime territory of that nation;

5. ALLOWS nations to hire privateers, here defined as ?pirates hired by a government,? against enemy nations during times of declared war.[/quote]

[Antrium]

CeoranaMay 5 2006, 04:47 PM Here's a suggested rewrite.
Quote: Outlawing Piracy (cat: International Security str: mild)

NOTING the good intentions of NSUN Resolution #74, ?The Law of the Sea?, and its repeal, Resolution #141,

CONVINCED that piracy is a threat to international trade and safety at sea,

HOPING to improve safety in international trade and travel by sea.

1. DEFINES for the purposes of this resolution, "piracy" as the act of taking a ship or its contents from those legally entitled to it, or committing an act of violence towards a ship or its legal owners, except in cases where this is done in the course of war, and "pirates" as those partaking in piracy,

2. CREATES the United Nations Survey of Maritime Wrongdoers and International Pirates (UNSMWIP) for the purpose of maintaining and publishing a database of known pirates;

3. DECLARES that piracy, or knowingly giving comfort to pirates, shall be illegal in all UN member nations;

4. STRONGLY URGES nations to assist in the capturing of pirates, especially when such? pirates are in the maritime territory of that nation;

5. ALLOWS nations to hire privateers, here defined as ?pirates hired by a government,? against enemy nations during times of declared war.[/quote] [/quote]
I like the additions, thanks Do you just want to co-author it? I'd be glad to do that, you did add quite a bit.

I was going to re-write it after my delegacy ended. Any other suggestions?

If not, I'll submit it without TGs some time after my term ends (which will be soon :o) and then re-submit until it is passed, obviously.

[StEdmund]

Greetings.
Ausserland told me about this thread, because I've recently posted a draft proposal on the same subject over in the DEFCON forum. It's at http://s15.invisionfree.com/UN_DEFCON/inde...p?showtopic=124 if you want to take a look.

Maybe we could work together on this?


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[Sober Thought]

A joint UN resolution sounds interesting, and piracy is always a good subject to fire up people for interest (see GG's reference, which omitted the need for bad dental hygiene ) and opposition (nobody likes a pirate because they have all the fun and attack others with impunity.

It could also provide a small feeler to see if there's any interest in the Extradition Act (the salvaging of the "UN Security Inspectors"/pseudo-INTERPOL).

[Antrium]

Actually, I like St Edmund's version better.

I would be willing to work on it together, but I don't think that I am actually necessary. I would be willing to send some TGs to campaign for it though

[StEdmund]

AntriumJun 1 2006, 02:53 AM Actually, I like St Edmund's version better.

I would be willing to work on it together, but I don't think that I am actually necessary.  I would be willing to send some TGs to campaign for it though  [/quote]
Thank you!
There are a few [minor] changes that I'm thinking of making to my version before submitting it, and I'm going to have another go at getting my older proposal about helping nations to become more democratic (if that's what they want) -- which I'm resubmitting today (EDIT: correction, "tomorrow"...) -- through before transferring this one to Jolt, but I'll keep in touch about this.

[StEdmund]

I got distracted by various matters (some of them in RL), but have now posted a revised draft of my proposal in the same thread as the original version. Unfortunately it's currently a few hundred characters too long to be legal, but any constructive criticism that you feel like providing would be welcome...

[Bears Armed]

Submitted, as 'Suppression of Piracy.
(No TG campaign this time, let's see how it does anyway...)