[Ator People]

Well I'm not sure if this is considered an IDU or non-IDU proposal, but I couldn't post in the other forum, so I'll post here.

For awhile I've tried to get an Emigration Rights proposal to be passed. It's gone through a good amount of editing on the jolt forums in NS, but I would like some input here and I am hoping to re-submit it sometime soon. My latest version of the proposal, with some help from nations
[size0](among them Cobdenia, who helped with the FURTHER DECLARING clause) on the NS forums, is as follows:

Quote:  In an effort to promote the human rights of all peoples, this resolution shall mandate global emigration rights.

DEEPLY DISTURBED: that many people are treated inhumanely in the nation in which they reside,

RECOGNIZING: the "Universal Freedom of Choice" resolution and its promotion of the freedom of choice.

ALSO RECOGNIZING: the "Universal Freedom of Choice" act does not cover an individual's freedom to chose a country to reside in.

OBSERVING: that families and relationships are split up when people are not allowed to emigrate from the country in which they reside.

EMPHASIZING: that people should be allowed to pursue residence in another nation than the one in which they currently reside.

DECLARING: that all individuals have the natural right to leave the country in which they reside and this right shall not be obstructed by any nation.


NOW MANDATING: that all people shall be allowed to emigrate from the country in which they reside.

FURTHER DECLARING: the only people exempt from full emigration rights are those who are either charged with, serving a sentence for, or under investigation of a criminal offense; those under a subpoena to a court; or those interred (including but not limited to prisoners of war) during times of conflict.

ACCEPTS: that this resolution has no effect on the immigration policies of individual nations[/quote]



Suggestions, opinions?

[Grosseschnauzer]

The last clause would violate the premise of NS that UN resolutions become law in all UN member states. That last clause is therefore unnecessary and conflicts with the game mechanics.

@AP = Was your member group "IDU member" at the time you started this post? You should have been able to have started the thread in the Proposed Resolutions forum. I want to make sure you will have access to this thread before I move it to the other forum.

[Ator People]

The last clause relates to immigration, which is there to reduce the confusion (many nations thought the proposal would force them to allow in immigrants). This resolution is for rights of people who want to leave their country, but no one has to let them in.

[Grosseschnauzer]

Just a hypothetical - A person wants to leave nation X and can, under this resolution; but every other nation can refuse that same person entry, leaving that person with no place to go, in which case, what value is the right to leave?

[Ator People]

Yes, indeed that hypothetical situation would prove difficult for the person to leave. However, if I may bring in RL situations for second, many countries do, or have in the past, kept their citizens as prisoners of their own country. This is a violation of each person's freedom of "choice," and gives that person no option to leave the country in which they were born.

This resolution would allow them to have the option to leave their country, however regulating a country's immigration policy is, IMO, an issue that is best left to the individual nation.


And yes, I can now post in that forum

[Grosseschnauzer]

Thread moved to proper forum.

[Ator People]

GrosseschnauzerSep 27 2005, 11:35 PM Thread moved to proper forum. [/quote]
Its in the same forum I think. :unsure:

[Adam Island]

I like the proposal so far. If they want, they can immigrate to Adam Island.

[Grosseschnauzer]

Ator PeopleSep 28 2005, 07:22 PM GrosseschnauzerSep 27 2005, 11:35 PM Thread moved to proper forum. [/quote]
Its in the same forum I think. :unsure: [/quote]
One of the other global mods or admins must have moved it back, although I'm not sure why...there's nothing posted that I could find.

[Ator People]

GrosseschnauzerSep 29 2005, 03:56 PM Ator PeopleSep 28 2005, 07:22 PM GrosseschnauzerSep 27 2005, 11:35 PM Thread moved to proper forum. [/quote]
Its in the same forum I think. :unsure: [/quote]
One of the other global mods or admins must have moved it back, although I'm not sure why...there's nothing posted that I could find. [/quote]
Oh, well. That's okay.


Any other comments on the proposal?

[Grosseschnauzer]

How about adding a clause encouraging nations to accept emigrants but noting the right of each nation to determine its own immigration policies......at least that would be a tactic acknowledgement of the problem of assuring that a person who chooses to emigrate from one nation has a place to immgrate to.

[Antrium]

GrosseschnauzerSep 29 2005, 03:37 PM How about adding a clause encouraging nations to accept emigrants but noting the right of each nation to determine its own immigration policies......at least that would be a tactic acknowledgement of the problem of assuring that a person who chooses to emigrate from one nation has a place to immgrate to. [/quote]
I agree with Grosseschnauzer. Otherwise, I like this proposal. I think it could pass.

[Groot Gouda]

GrosseschnauzerSep 29 2005, 05:56 PM Ator PeopleSep 28 2005, 07:22 PM GrosseschnauzerSep 27 2005, 11:35 PM Thread moved to proper forum. [/quote]
Its in the same forum I think. :unsure: [/quote]
One of the other global mods or admins must have moved it back, although I'm not sure why...there's nothing posted that I could find. [/quote]
I never did anything, honest guv'!

Maybe you accidentally moved it to this forum?

[Ator People]

Well I'm having my main nation (ATOR PEOPLE) join the UN and probably propose the resolution as soon as I can do so.


I have one question though; I had help editing the proposal, particularly with the FURTHER DECLARING clause, which Cobdenia actually wrote and suggested on the NS forum. Must I then not that nation's help on the submitted resolution, or is it fine to leave the name out. I haven't done this much and I'm not sure about the proper resolution "etiquette."

[Grosseschnauzer]

AP, at the Jolt forums, Hack has posted updated rules. There is a way you can acknowledge one nation as a co-sponsor, etc., but I would suggest reviewing those rules. Hersfold always submits his draft proposals to a NS mod for review (you can do so in a thread, I believe), just in case they notice something that would cause the proposal to be deleted from the queue.

[Ator People]

Any idea where that thread is? I was just searching the jolt forums and couldn't find it.

[Grosseschnauzer]

It's a pinned thread in the UN subforum.....the one where all the proposals are discussed. Hack started the thread (and I believe its a locked thread as well.)