[Gerainia]

With all UN resolutions going to be null and void within a matter of days, we need fast replacements. Here is a good first one:

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The World Assembly,

WHEREAS many human beings still are subject to atrocities worldwide,

RECOGNISING that all people need firm rules to protect their human and civil rights,

CONCERNED that no such resolution exists,

HEREBY-

- DECLARES that all humans worldwide have the following rights:

1. The right to speak freely, as long as such speech could genuinely endanger public security.

2. The right to assemble peacefully in public.

3. The right to not be tortured or subjected to cruel, unusual or humiliating punishment.

4. No person shall be forced into slavery.

5. No person shall be discriminated against because of their race, sex, skin colour or beliefs.

6. Every person is under and must abide by the law.

7. Every person is entitled to a fair trial, and is innocent before proven guilty.

8. Every person has the right to a nationality, and may not be deprived of it, or be refused the right to change it.

9. Every person may hold property and may not be deprived of it.

10. The authority of any government should be based on the will of the people.

11. Every person has the right to work for equal pay, to leisure time, adequate living standards and an education.

12. Every person has the right to reasonable privacy.

- MANDATES that all states and people of the world are to respect these rights.

-    COMMISSIONS the International Board of Human Rights (IBHR) to ensure that all people have and respect these rights.

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What'dya think?

[Jagera]

I'm a bit rusty at this, so forgive if any of these are stupid critiques.

My thoughts:

Quote: 4. No person shall be forced into slavery.[/quote]

So selling yourself is fine?

Quote: 5. No person shall be discriminated against because of their race, sex, skin colour or beliefs.[/quote]

What about age and sexual orientation? Also, what about affirmative action programs? These can be seen by discriminatory for those people they are not designed to advance.

Quote: 8. Every person has the right to a nationality, and may not be deprived of it, or be refused the right to change it.[/quote]

Does this mean we would have to allow people to be part of our nation even if they were extremely undesireable (i.e. serial killer, war criminal, mime)? Or does this just mean we cannot deny the right of a person to change from our nationality, to give it up in exchange for someone else who will accept them? (Hope that makes sense)

Quote: 9. Every person may hold property and may not be deprived of it.[/quote]

What about stolen property, taxes, etc. Seems to be this should be "not arbitrarily deprived of it" or something similar.

Quote: 11. Every person has the right to work for equal pay, [...][/quote]

This suggests to me that everyone should be able to work for the exact same amount of pay. "Equitable" pay is my thought, or the "opportunity". Otherwise, the "right to work for equal pay" sounds like a fast food clerk and a doctor are getting the same pay.

This resolution would definitely be a good start to rebuilding rights under the WA! Way to get moving, Gerainia!

[Gerainia]

Ah yes. But adding sexuality, wouldn't that force gay marriage legal, which pushes it a bit. But yes, I'm fine tuning it.

Edit: I've made the changes, you think I should submit it?

[Federalist]

Let's see the revised proposal....

[Gerainia]

Quote: 

The World Assembly,

WHEREAS many human beings still are subject to atrocities worldwide,

RECOGNISING that all people need firm rules to protect their human and civil rights,

CONCERNED that no such resolution exists,

HEREBY-

- DECLARES that all humans worldwide have the following rights:

1. The right to speak freely, as long as such speech could genuinely endanger public security.

2. The right to assemble peacefully in public.

3. The right to not be tortured or subjected to cruel, unusual or humiliating punishment.

4. No person shall be forced or go into slavery.

5. No person shall be discriminated against because of their race, sex, skin colour or beliefs.

6. Every person is under and must abide by the law.

7. Every person is entitled to a fair trial, and is innocent before proven guilty.

8. Every person has the right to a nationality, and may not be deprived of it, or be refused the right to change from it.

9. Every person may hold property and may not be unreasonably deprived of it.

10. The authority of any government should be based on the will of the people.

11. Every person has the right to work for equitable pay, to leisure time, adequate living standards and an education.

12. Every person has the right to reasonable privacy.

- MANDATES that all states and people of the world are to respect these rights.

-    COMMISSIONS the International Board of Human Rights (IBHR) to ensure that all people have and respect these rights.

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There.

[Federalist]

I like it, I think you've covered everything rather nicely. I vote to submit it.

[Gerainia]

I'm just going to submit it. I think Significant would be the proper level, you?

Edit: Submitted. I'm telegramming loads of people in the campaign.

[Gerainia]

Damnit, it's been deleted. I'm working on getting rid of the category violations.

[Antrium]

You need to change a few wording things before you re-submit this:

Quote: 1. The right to speak freely, as long as such speech could genuinely endanger public security.[/quote]
I'd say "does not" instead of "could". You've accidentally said you're only guaranteeing the right to endanger public safety.

Quote: 4. No person shall be forced or go into slavery.[/quote]
I'd say "No person shall work without pay." Or something like that. I think that covers it well, and eliminates the thing about force. But it needs to be changed somehow, I don't think the part in bold there is grammatically correct.

I'm slightly concerned that this may just be too much for one proposal, but if you can pass all of it at once, then that's great.

[Gerainia]

I'm changing it to meet Antrium's considerations, and I'm wondering what I should take out.

[Federalist]

What was the primary problems with it?

[Bears Armed]

Why does it only protect Humans?

[Federalist]

Sorry BA, not all nations have Bears as their citizens....

[Gerainia]

Bears ArmedApr 4 2008, 01:21 PM Why does it only protect Humans? [/quote]
Are you bears anthromorphic? If so, I'd believe you could pass.

[Antrium]

GerainiaApr 4 2008, 05:31 AM I'm changing it to meet Antrium's considerations, and I'm wondering what I should take out. [/quote]
I think you should try it first. Just submit it with all of it still in, and if it doesn't pass, we can cut it down to just one issue. Right now, you're providing a lot of rights that would normally each merit their own proposal. If we can pass that as is, that's much better than doing it separately, but it all depends on what the voters think. We just might have to split it up...a lot.

[Gerainia]

AntriumApr 4 2008, 08:59 PM I think you should try it first. Just submit it with all of it still in, and if it doesn't pass, we can cut it down to just one issue. Right now, you're providing a lot of rights that would normally each merit their own proposal. If we can pass that as is, that's much better than doing it separately, but it all depends on what the voters think. We just might have to split it up...a lot. [/quote]
It's already been submitted and then deleted.

[Jagera]

My thoughts on categories:

Human Rights:
Quote: 
1. The right to speak freely, as long as such speech could genuinely endanger public security.

2. The right to assemble peacefully in public.

3. The right to not be tortured or subjected to cruel, unusual or humiliating punishment.

4. No person shall be forced or go into slavery.

5. No person shall be discriminated against because of their race, sex, skin colour or beliefs.

7. Every person is entitled to a fair trial, and is innocent before proven guilty.

8. Every person has the right to a nationality, and may not be deprived of it, or be refused the right to change from it.[/quote]

Furtherment of Democracy:

Quote: 10. The authority of any government should be based on the will of the people.[/quote]

Social Justice

Quote: 9. Every person may hold property and may not be unreasonably deprived of it.

11. Every person has the right to work for equitable pay, to leisure time, adequate living standards and an education.

12. Every person has the right to reasonable privacy.[/quote]

Dunno

Quote: 6. Every person is under and must abide by the law.[/quote]

Though 4 may be social justice as well, 9 may belong elsewhere, and 6 isn't really a right; more removing exemptions from those who declare themselves "above" the law.

I definitely would not include 10 or 11 under Human Rights.

[Bears Armed]

GerainiaApr 4 2008, 04:55 PM Are you bears anthromorphic? If so, I'd believe you could pass. [/quote]
Semi-anthropomorphic, at least... but without a definition in the proposal, some other nations' goverments might disagree with you on this point, and we'd like to see the rights guaranteed in advance before any of our people go travelling and find themselves in countries where we aren't recognised as protected by such rules.

[Bears Armed]

JageraApr 5 2008, 12:43 AM My thoughts on categories:
Dunno

Quote: 6. Every person is under and must abide by the law.[/quote]

Though 4 may be social justice as well, 9 may belong elsewhere, and 6 isn't really a right; more removing exemptions from those who declare themselves "above" the law.

I definitely would not include 10 or 11 under Human Rights. [/quote]
6: 'Moral Decency'.

[Grosseschnauzer]

Some of the categorization is highly dependent on what words are used to describe the concept. I'll bet that if all of the items are worded as rights that are to be protected under the resolution, such as, as a for intance, salvery being described as "the right to be free from involuntary servitude, escept as legal punishment following a conviction for a criminal offense" it would be deemed as a human rights category rather than one of the others.

I think if the proposal is written with that sort of conceptulization in mind, it can meet the requirements for just one of the categories.

[Antrium]

I think GS has an excellent idea there.

If I got my Labeling Standards proposal passed under "Human Rights", there is probably a way to do this.

[Gerainia]

Awh, puu! I've just got rid of the exra ones. What should I do?

[Antrium]

Post what you have, and we'll look at it.

[Gerainia]

Here

Quote: 
The World Assembly,

WHEREAS many human beings still are subject to atrocities worldwide,

RECOGNISING that all people need firm rules to protect their human and civil rights,

CONCERNED that no such resolution exists,

HEREBY-

- DECLARES that all humans worldwide have the following rights:

1. The right to speak freely, as long as such speech does not genuinely endanger public security.

2. The right to assemble peacefully in public.

3. The right to not be tortured or subjected to cruel, unusual or humiliating punishment.

4. No person shall be forced to work without pay.

5. No person shall be discriminated against because of their race, sex, skin colour or beliefs.

6. Every person is entitled to a fair trial, and is innocent before proven guilty.

7. Every person has the right to a nationality, and may not be deprived of it, or be refused the right to change from it.

- MANDATES that all WA states and people are to respect these rights.

- COMMISSIONS the International Board of Human Rights (IBHR) to ensure that all people have and respect these rights.

Appendix -

All other animals that are anthropomorphic (have distinctive human and intelligent qualities) are also hereby covered by the rights outlined in this resolution.

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[Antrium]

I think that is worthy of submission, myself.

I'd just change "The right to not be tortured" to "No person shall be tortured." Other than that, I like it.