NationStates isn't the only "Fantasy World"
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060806/ap_on_...i_palm_island_1

Apparently some rich guy has decided what an ideal island should look like.
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#2

It's not the only one: The World
There's an Iowa island! Big Grin (It's geographically incorrect, but it's there)

Dubai must be a crazy place...
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#3

Wow! Oil, it seems to do amazing things!
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#4

Yay for problems that honestly even I could have told ya would happen and money wasted!

Geez, couldn't they just... I dunno... buy Liechtenstein or something Wink ?
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#5

Let's not tell people how cool a place Liechtenstein really is! Smile

But wow, that is a one of the best Wikipedia articles I've read ... it hit a host of real-life engineering problems. Take home message: screw with the Earth, and it will fight back.
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MikitivityAug 9 2006, 04:22 PM Take home message: screw with the Earth, and it will fight back. [/quote]
And that you should probably spend your massive amounts of oil money on something important, instead of building palm-shaped islands to sell real estate on.
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#7

The most interesting thing for *all* of us on that Wikipedia article ... UAE's oil reserves will be depleted in the "second decade of the 21st century". Granted, Wikipedia didn't have a references for that quote, but can you imagine a Middle East in 10-years time without money?

Supposedly they are doing this for tourism in the post-oil world and the Sultan thinks that will be relatively soon.
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#8

That's insane! :pout:

I've seen the links before, but Dubai is one crazy place.
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#9

Right, I admire them for using their oil money to find a niche or reason for the area to be nice ... but I don't know enough about the climate to really know if UAE / Dubai is likely to really grow into a tourist spot. Potentially if in addition to the crazy islands, they crater to people whom are *not* Islamic and whom speak some other language, they could have a good approach.

The downside is the application of the construction and rush to build is not a good idea. Granted, I am a water resources engineer, but I could have told you simply by looking at the design that there would be vector control and water quality (stagnation) problems. I found the Wiki article to actually focus on these and other environmental problems (which interested me).

Also the idea of starting construction *ahead* of the schedule of the Dutch construction companies is a particularly bad idea (in my professional opinion). Now it could be that there was a huge population pressure / growth that sort of dictated the rush ... California has the same problem. But I have a feeling there will be little mitigation for the land owners who formerly had beach front property ... although perhaps in the UAE the Sultan or king or whatever he wants to call himself owns everything to begin with.

The reality here is that whatever they are doing there now, will start to appear in other countries too. The Middle East already has developed much of the advanced water filtration systems you think of when you hear people talk about desalination (Flordia actually has helped too). So from an engineering POV, this is neat ... and I bet the guy pulling the strings is like me and curious more than anything else. But I'm also worried about what we don't know that may happen later -- and by nature I tend to be on the "Let's study this and talk about it for decades" government mentality. :jump:
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I think it's also Dubai that has set up a business 'city' on the mainland, with a stock exchange to fill the gap (in terms of operating times) between the European & Far Eastern ones, that will run under British commercial law (with [retired] British judges running the courts) -- rather than Arabic commercial law -- in order to attract 'Western' businesses...
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