Regional History? Information NEEDED!
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GnejsFeb 20 2007, 11:07 AM Quote:  I was getting the positions of 'Nimali' confused with that of 'Gnejs'... [/quote]

feel free to incorporate gnejs in your project.. think i posted some basic info earlier in this thread.

EDIT: post 200! yeeeyyy! [/quote]
Thank you, I probably will do so... although, considering your nation's location, I really need to hear what 'Domnonia' might have to say about this topic first...
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#27

Bears ArmedFeb 17 2007, 09:52 AM
Right. I'm not so sure about Dragons having existed on my side of the river, at least not in 'historical' times: maybe the Luvasian civilisation eliminated any who formerly lived here... or one of its cities was secretly run by them... or they were created as "living weapons" during the Luvasians' final wars, and any of them who survived the fighting chose to move away from the area afterwards (and had ben created as incapable of reproducing?)...
Is it possible that your 'Elves' & 'Orcs' were actually stocks of human origin who'd been altered in ancient times, either deliberately ('Elves' = ruling castes, improving themselves; Orcs = fast-breeding labourers/warriors?) or by the magical "fallout" from the destruction of the cities? I'd definitely suggest that that was where your Gnomes came from, as that would tie them into the probable origin of the 'goldilocks' too...

Re Tolkien: my Ursine clan of alleged Human ancestry (& possible 'Bere-human' membership) was already called the Beornings' before you mentioned his works... Wink

I'd definitely be interested in finding out where those cities were, and how long ago those conflicts happened. If they weren't part of the Luvasian civilisation then maybe they were even earlier (although, having now seen a bit more about what was going on in the region in earlier times, I might move the Luvasians a bit further back anyway...)and the first proto-Luvasian culture was founded by human survivors from their wars instead...


I provisionally have the date for the last wave of Ursines moving into BA from the west as late as the early 18th century, but those might have been relatively small groups or have stealthily crossed your territories from somewhere beyond. I can move them back slightly, but probably not by more than a century. Contact between our peoples, on more than an individual & very occasional basis, might be because they re-established links with some of the indigenes in your eastern cantons a little while later, after they'd formally joined this nation in c.1800-1812-ish AD...
Afterthoughts If your main culture began around the rivers then maybe it was only after the cantons joined together that they really established control over the highlands in the centre of what's now 'Mikitivity' and that last wave of Ursines came from up there?

Oh, and I think that the levels of magical energy around (& available) in these parts should have fallen significantly since ancient times... [/quote]
Not all the dragons were evil, and I've imagined there were only a few of them to begin with. Smile

And yes, the elves and orcs can easily have been humans divided into a caste system of sorts. Let's go with that!

What I think we really need to do is to start to make a common time line with dates ... it would certainly help me track things. It looks as if we both have some provisional dates.

And yes, I'd say that magic has been fading away.
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#28

BaranxtuFeb 16 2007, 07:27 PM If I may put a little southern perspective into this...  as far as IC history goes, what is today Baranxtu was first settled by migrants from the north around 3000-2500 BCE (by what would ultimately become the Masenasi and Phip cultures), who were later largely conquered by a second wave of immigration by what would become the Marani tribes (around 1700 BCE).
The interesting thing is that I've always planned for both Masenasi and Marani religions to include totem animals (basically wolf, tiger, eagle and *bear*) with a backstory that sentient demidivine specimens of these "animals" were those who led them to these parts down here...

(The now dominating colonists didn't arive before the end of the 17th century... how exactly is another mystical mystery Confusedunglasses: ) [/quote]
Re the two waves of ancient migration into your nation: Maybe the first wave consisted of hunter-gatherers (& probably fishers, too, considering their apparent seafaring skills) who?d been displaced from their old homeland by the expansion of the first cultures to adopt agriculture there, and the second of people from one of those farming societies seeking new lands on which to plant crops? Or maybe it was the first wave that consisted [?early?] farmers looking for good lands to plant, because their old homeland was getting overcrowded, and the second that was a tribe of hunter-gatherers who?d finally been displaced (from less hospitable terrain) by those farmers who?d remained in the north but who might have had more of a martial tradition (due to their fights against dangerous prey) than the original, peaceful settlers? Or maybe they were two separate waves of hunter-gatherers, or two separate waves of farmers?

We now have native populations of Tigers in Malabra & the southern edges of Bears Armed, as well as in your nation: Given the shapes of this region?s land-masses, it therefore looks to me as though that species? natural range should also include most [if not all] of the lands that stretch from your eastern borders to the eastern tip of the land-mass on which it?s located?
Is the ?Halaoran Giant Hare? actually a genuine native of your lands, having evolved thereabouts, or did some group of people import it from elsewhere (either the ?IDU mainland? or outside of this region altogether) at some point in history? This detail matters because it could affect which other groups of ?small mammal? species could plausibly be present there?

Re the ?totemic? animal-spirits: The notes that I?ve made so far about my Ursines? ?shabearistic? beliefs in such matters say that they recognise the existence of MANY spirits, of various types, but the most relevant ones for this would be the group who are collectively called ?the Seven Holy Helpers? and who ? possibly acting as subordinates to ?the Great Bear? (which is the usual name that Ursines use for the Creator?) ? sometimes provide us with advice & assistance:
The Bear is a spirit who ? as far as the Ursines are concerned, anyway ? helps with using & controlling one?s natural instincts: a philosophy based on this concept, and bearing some resemblance to [RL] ?Taoism?, is currently quite popular in ?Bears Armed?? Wink He is usually visualised as a ?Phoobharr', a member of the ?Pygmy Bear? species (Ursus minor), both because this is the one type of Bear native to these lands that has yet to produce any sapient members and to differentiate him as much as possible from ?the Great Bear?.
The Pig is a spirit of companionship and loyalty: Ursines do herd & eat pigs of some kinds, it?s true, but they treat these with respect and also keep some other breeds that employed as humans employ dogs. He is often depicted as a piglet, rather than as an adult, especially in his role as spirit of the pigs that live with Bear.
The Owl is a spirit of wisdom and knowledge, although his advice is sometimes rather cryptic in nature. He may be depicted as an Owl of any kind that?s regularly found in these lands?
The Donkey is a spirit of endurance, persistence, and caution. He is generally depicted as a small, grey donkey, of the type whose members ? presumably feral descendants of livestock that was originally imported into this area by the Luvasian civilisation ? have managed to survive so far by taking refuge from predators in the fens.
The Rabbit is a spirit of fertility and of hospitality, who also receives some propitiatory rites as a personification of the animals that the Ursine hunt for food. He is normally depicted as a ?Meadow? (or ?Brown?) rabbit, rather than as a ?Grey? (or ?Woods?) one.. Some clans also regard him as a ?trickster?, but others assign this mythic role to the Fox ? who isn?t a member of this group ?instead?
The Tiger is a spirit of courage, hunting & adventurousness. He is normally depicted as a fairly young male of the ?Yordian Tiger?.
And the Strangers, who are apparently actually two in number but who are always contacted together rather than singly and are therefore referred to as just a single entry in this list, are spirits both of family ties and of tolerance for the different. They are usually depicted as a mother & young child from a strange species of large, hopping mammal that is otherwise unknown in these lands (although far-travelled individuals may recognise them as kangaroos?)

(There?s also a mysterious spirit called the ?Kitt-rrobin?, visualised sometimes as a small bird of the species whose name it shares but sometimes as a humanoid [young, & either male or androgynous in appearance] instead, whose role in the mythology is rather more ambiguous? Wink)
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#29

Bears, when I have more time to think details through, I'll elaborate, but the earliest migration wave reached the great Schnauzer Rive in the western schnazerlands no later than 1200, and the area of Democracy Bay where Edie City is no later than 1300. a few clnd did proceed a little further south from the original or subsequeent waves after than (which explains the presence of schnauzervolk in what used to be Flankia.) Subsequent waves arrived from the oceans northwat of current day IDU to the islands, and then the mainland areas after that, but there's no record of major migrations later than 1850.
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#30

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Thank you, I probably will do so... although, considering your nation's location, I really need to hear what 'Domnonia' might have to say about this topic first... [/quote]
So, Dom. What do you think about all this?
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#31

I'm all for it. If the wiki ever returns I'll be able to source whatever history I've already built for our little corner, and maybe you and I can create something that suits both of our tastes - and then we'll know where we stand with Bears Armed.

From what I can remember, Domnonia is intertwined quite heavily with the indigenous cultures of the peninsula and south Antrium - so I would imagine that some sort of animalistic mythology could quite easily be applied to its modern culture.
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#32

Evidently you can look at the wiki now, but not edit. They are moving it to another server.
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#33

AntriumFeb 2 2007, 04:11 AM Antrium's history is almost entirely made up of the American Federalist/Riconiaa Refugee Crisis, which you can find here on these forums: here.

3. Antrium was founded on August 12, 2005, and expanded to its current borders on February 18, 2006. South Antrium was founded on May 18, 2006.
Antrium replaced American Federalist, which I've RP'd to start at 1776, since it would make sense with the name.
4. A mixture of indigenous people (Alv?sis, Navlanis, Ithernians to be added soon) and immigrants from Keeslandia, former AF, Domnonia, other nations across the IDU.
5. I haven't made anything yet, but I'm always looking for some good folklore Smile
There could be a meeting any time, really. AF explorers could have encountered bears in the woods west of Antrium, or it could be pre-AF. Doesn't really matter, although the older it is, the more likely it is to be good, extremely distorted, folklore.

If you have more questions, ask. I have a NSwiki too, but it's not that helpful. [/quote]
So OOC you was American Federalist?
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#34

No, I was
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#35

pagemasterApr 11 2008, 05:42 PM No, I was [/quote]
Wait...you're American Federalist? I never knew that...
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#36

So you got bored and destroyed it like Ceorana?
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#37

Kind of, I actually got a little too busy and practically forgotten about it until it imploded and then these guys started to RP its destruction. It was actually rather intresting. AF was orginally meant to be a puppet nation I would use to investigate activity in other regions such as Gatesville, but I never got a chance to use it for that.
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#38

By the way Antrium, you never asked...
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#39

pagemasterApr 12 2008, 11:32 AM By the way Antrium, you never asked... [/quote]
I just assumed that they had left, I guess. That's cool, though. Makes me less concerned that American Federalist will come back and want some of my land Wink

If you have any ideas you'd like to mention regarding their history, culture, anything, once the wiki comes back up, I'd love to hear them. I just kind of started to make stuff up because I didn't think they (you) were here...
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#40

Ok, I'll think up a few ideas for you
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#41

I used to be on NationStates, regrettably in a different region with a different nation, and participated in the forums. What happened on those forums and why I left is neither here nor there. Anyways.

Having read around a couple of forums, what exactly is the state of the NS Wiki? And, to get to a point relevant for this area, is national history still relevant or required?

I apologise if this is about 80% irrelevant but...you know...
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