[Grosseschnauzer]

Quote: Repeal "Abortion Rights"

A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution

Category: Repeal

Resolution: #61

Proposed by: Dorksonia

Description: UN Resolution #61: Abortion Rights (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: RECOGNIZES that abortion is an issue where good people on each side of this issue disagree.

PRAISES the concern for women in crisis and with needs.

POINTS OUT Resolution #61 provides no details or reasons for it's argument.

EMPHASIZES Resolution #61 does not limit abortion to "Women's health" during later trimesters, but allows a woman to have an abortion for any reason whatsoever (age, gender of the baby, etc.), for no reason whatsoever, without parental consent, without spousal consent, and at any any point up to and including the ninth month of pregnancy.

ACKNOWLEDGES this repeal will not prohibit any abortions, but permit it to be a daily issue in which a nation may decide this issue for themselves.

NOTES people are passionate on both sides of this issue and repealing this issue will indeed be "pro-choice" (member nations may choose to permit abortions for any reason, limit it as they deem necessary, or prohibit).

CONSIDERS the further medical technology of prenatal surgery deeming the unborn child as a "patient" and questions if abortion does not protect the rights of these individuals based on their location.

QUESTIONS if women are able to make informed choices without further research into the pychological and emotional side effects of such a common surgical procedure.

REPEALS resolution #61 "Abortion Rights"[/quote]

Resolution 61 reads:

Quote: UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #61
Abortion Rights

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights


Strength: Significant


Proposed by: Vistadin

Description: Henceforth all women shall have the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not, no member nation will interfere with a woman's right to have an abortion.

Votes For: 9,368
Votes Against: 6,549

Implemented: Sat Jun 5 2004 [/quote]

[Baranxtu]

Although the original resolution could need a better worded replacement, Baranxtu will vote against it (unless someone can offer good counterarguments to lure me to the other side) because of some passages of the repeal:

Quote: for no reason whatsoever[/quote]
I find that line alone to be extremely... stupid, in lack of a better word. I don't think women have abortions for "no reason whatsoever" - it's not an experience they submit to just for the sake of it, or because it's so much fun.

Quote: without parental consent[/quote]
This could basically have the result that teenage girls have to carry out an unwanted pregnancy if their parents are strictly pro-choice, possibly to a detremental effect to their mental health and their future life.

Quote: without spousal consent[/quote]
Again, this would be a severe limitation to women's rights if they take a different stance on the issue than their spouses.
This does also not take into account women whose spouses are absent for some reason during the pregnancy; may it be an absence abroad with restricted means of communication or a separation while they are still legally married when the man denies the woman consent.

So, therefore, Baranxtu will not support this.

[Antrium]

I will also vote no.

Quote: POINTS OUT Resolution #61 provides no details or reasons for it's argument.[/quote]

Who cares? If it passed, then it didn't need arguments. That's not a reason to repeal.

And we agree with everything Baranxtu just said :worship:

[Eisophca]

Quote: NOTES people are passionate on both sides of this issue and repealing this issue will indeed be "pro-choice" (member nations may choose to permit abortions for any reason, limit it as they deem necessary, or prohibit).[/quote]
If you need to manipulate stereotypes in order for it to pass, it shouldn't pass.

Ceorana will strongly vote nay.

We also agree with everything that Antrium just said. :worship:

Including the part about agreeing with everything that Baranxtu just said. :worship:

[Mikitivity]

My government was originally planning on abstaining, as we felt the original resolution could have been written much better, however, the arguments presented thus far have swung our vote to AGAINST. (Good points all!)

[Groot Gouda]

baranxtuJan 28 2006, 10:16 PM Although the original resolution could need a better worded replacement, Baranxtu will vote against it (unless someone can offer good counterarguments to lure me to the other side) because of some passages of the repeal:

Quote: for no reason whatsoever[/quote]
I find that line alone to be extremely... stupid, in lack of a better word. I don't think women have abortions for "no reason whatsoever" - it's not an experience they submit to just for the sake of it, or because it's so much fun. [/quote]
This reason alone is good enough for me to be against this repeal.

[Lawtonia]

United Nations Resolution #61 is one of the few resolutions that is succinct and to the point. Lawtonia would definately not support a repeal against this resolution.

[Sober Thought]

NO.

[Keeslandia]

No, no, no, no, no. As a Chicagoan, I'm exercising my right to vote early & often.

[Groot Gouda]

Considering the replies I've taken the liberty to attach a poll.

And I got a "Family kit" ad...hmm.... :roll:

[Grosseschnauzer]

I rather that you hadn't, Groot.

It'll just confuse things since this proposal is not the next one in the queue.

[Federalist]

As this subject is a highly controversial one and can not be taken lightly, the Commonwealth will abstain from this vote while duitfully acknowledging the arguments made previously.

[Malabra]

It looks like we'll be in the minority. We vote for the repeal.

[Groot Gouda]

GrosseschnauzerJan 31 2006, 02:49 AM I rather that you hadn't, Groot.

It'll just confuse things since this proposal is not the next one in the queue. [/quote]
Yes, but what does that matter? It will come up eventually anyway.

[Grosseschnauzer]

Now that it is the next floor proposal thread title edited to reflect status.

If you haven't voted, or need to change your vote, post away. (If you DO change your vote, please tell us your original vote, as well as your new choice so either Antrium or I can correctly cast the vote.)

[Jonquiere-Tadoussac]

I missed all this when it was starting up, so I may be a little behind on the ball here, but I'm thinking nay. I was in favour of this, until several strong arguments in here convinced me otherwise. The original resolution does need revising, but this one is too poorly worded to do that job well.

[Domnonia]

It passed by 1,111 votes.

[Groot Gouda]

An extremely narrow margin. Waterana has drafted an alternative which is much to my liking and which we should support. Apparently there's also a NatSov replacement, which will probably allow governments to do whatever they want.

Edit: just found them in the queue. I suggest to our delegate to support Clinical Abortion Rights.

[Mikitivity]

That is exactly what the NSO proposal is attempting to do.

I also have a crude draft condemning infanticide and wanted to add language prohibiting late term abortions for gender based justifications. The repeal actually opened the door for this sort of idea. :juggle:

[Fonzoland]

In these rather special circumstances, I would suggest a poll to determine which (if any) of the two proposals should be supported.

I see the merits of both, but lean more towards Waterana's (cautiously IC, ardently OOC).

[Groot Gouda]

I think anyone can open a poll - no-one needs to await the delegate. In my term, I usually posted a list of proposals I had approved so people could easily check what I was doing. If you like a proposal, TG the delegate (I've done so with Waterana's proposal, and it appears Antrium has approved it).

The other proposal is really not what the IDU should want, as it goes against our wish for a strong UN. A UN that leaves critical issues like personal freedom to dictatorial nations isn't credible and isn't usefull.