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Maraix: Independence! (Seeking two nations for foreign relations) - Maraix - 06-23-2020

Now that Maraix has moved into the IDU, I’d like to start work on its factbook, etc. It seems more fun and realistic to set up an independence event that involves other nations, as opposed to just putting the country on the map and coming up with an isolated backstory.

I’m looking to see if there are any nations interested in setting up diplomatic relations to help explain Maraixian independence. These relations could be basic or detailed as you’d like (we could just hash out some basic factbook information here or take it another direction).

I’m primarily interested in setting up relations with two countries: one from which Maraix declared independence (“Country A”), and one with longstanding cultural/administrative ties, into which Maraix wants to enter a defense agreement (“Country B”).

Are you interested? Read the long or TLDR version of Maraix’s history, which also describes the role of each country.


LONG VERSION

With an island population of 109 (though there are a few more citizens who live outside our territory), Maraix is a remote micronation, likely the smallest in the International Democratic Union. The goal is to establish diplomatic relationships with nations who agree to become “Country A” and “Country B”, in order to help build out the Maraix factbook and for (hopefully) fun interactions on the forum in the future. Any takers?


TLDR
After a long history as a remote territory of “Country A”, with administrative services provided by “Country B”, and a more recent history of struggling to survive under the island ownership of an international criminal, the residents of Maraix pulled together to purchase all of Maraix from its current owner and establish the Maraix Territorial Community Land Trust in 2018.

While establishing the land trust, it became apparent for… “reasons” …that the Maraix Islanders could declare independence from “Country A”, which it does now, in 2020, as a free homeowners’ association with complete control over the land trust.

Where you could come in:
Anyone interested?


Re: Maraix: Independence! (Seeking two nations for foreign relations) - Laeral - 06-24-2020

Wow Maraix! I'm quite impressed by the depth of your established roleplay information, and I'd be happy to participate in your nation's history. Playing as a microstate (the IDU's equivalent of the Pitcairn Islands, no less) is definitely a unique approach, and I look forward to seeing more of you in the IDU!

Laeral could serve as either Country A or Country B, although it seems that Country A would be more appropriate since Laeral is located in Central Hespia. Laeral is a Chinese-inspired nation that was colonized by the French during the 1700s, with a rich mercantile tradition. Laeral was a French vassal state in 1788, with a thriving merchant class that could have been sailing in the Tenebric Ocean. The left-wing government that ruled from 1922 to 1954 would have been willing to invest resources in development in Maraix. When it comes to the reason for independence, there could be many reasons- Laeral's current government isn't all that attached to tiny far-flung territories, particularly as the backlash against the vestiges of imperialism in Laeral has only grown stronger with time. I'd be glad to collaborate on RP about this with you in future! Feel free to check out my pages on the IDUwiki to see what my RP looks like, and I'd also be open to chatting further either here or on Discord!


Re: Maraix: Independence! (Seeking two nations for foreign relations) - Maraix - 06-26-2020

Laeral post_id=21519 time=1592963046 user_id=435 Wrote:Wow Maraix! I'm quite impressed by the depth of your established roleplay information, and I'd be happy to participate in your nation's history. Playing as a microstate (the IDU's equivalent of the Pitcairn Islands, no less) is definitely a unique approach, and I look forward to seeing more of you in the IDU!

Laeral could serve as either Country A or Country B, although it seems that Country A would be more appropriate since Laeral is located in Central Hespia. Laeral is a Chinese-inspired nation that was colonized by the French during the 1700s, with a rich mercantile tradition. Laeral was a French vassal state in 1788, with a thriving merchant class that could have been sailing in the Tenebric Ocean. The left-wing government that ruled from 1922 to 1954 would have been willing to invest resources in development in Maraix. When it comes to the reason for independence, there could be many reasons- Laeral's current government isn't all that attached to tiny far-flung territories, particularly as the backlash against the vestiges of imperialism in Laeral has only grown stronger with time. I'd be glad to collaborate on RP about this with you in future! Feel free to check out my pages on the IDUwiki to see what my RP looks like, and I'd also be open to chatting further either here or on Discord!

Thank you! I'm looking forward to this and think writing from a Pitcairn-perspective will be very interesting (though there will, of course, be differences).

It would be great to have you participate – I started looking through the IDUwiki and like what you have up. Laeral has a very interesting history, and I agree that having it serve as Country A should work nicely.

I'm going to finish going through your pages on the wiki to get more concrete ideas, but I like where you are going with the reasons for independence. I'd also throw in that it is currently costing Laeral the equivalent of $3 million USD in Laeralian marks to support the island, which might make it extra unappealing to continue funding a remote vestige of imperialism. I would like to think of a precipitating event, loophole, or clause that the HOA of Maraix could use to justify declaring for independence, which they will do at the same time as they file the CCC&Rs with a Laeralian court.

A couple of thoughts that came to mind were:


Re: Maraix: Independence! (Seeking two nations for foreign relations) - Legionas - 06-26-2020

Interesting, I'm also very impressed as to the level of detail you've been able to create. It's always great to see someone go for a more interesting approach when it comes to roleplaying.

The Federation of Legionas would like to serve as either country A or country B although I'm leaning more towards B. We are a Federal Republic under a Constitutional Monarchy with a population of around 123 million citizens with a highly developed and strong economy, (The Largest in Catica, I believe) as well as a massive military, which would be able to adequately protect your Islands from foreign aggressors. Feel free to ask me anything if need be!

The link to the wiki of Legionas is linked below.
https://www.theidu.us/wiki/Legionas


Re: Maraix: Independence! (Seeking two nations for foreign relations) - Maraix - 06-26-2020

The Federation of Legionas post_id=21525 time=1593178097 user_id=598 Wrote:Interesting, I'm also very impressed as to the level of detail you've been able to create. It's always great to see someone go for a more interesting approach when it comes to roleplaying.

The Federation of Legionas would like to serve as either country A or country B although I'm leaning more towards B. We are a Federal Republic under a Constitutional Monarchy with a population of around 123 million citizens with a highly developed and strong economy, (The Largest in Catica, I believe) as well as a massive military, which would be able to adequately protect your Islands from foreign aggressors. Feel free to ask me anything if need be!

The link to the wiki of Legionas is linked below.
https://www.theidu.us/wiki/Legionas

Hello! I think Legionas would be great as Country B, actually. I'm still going through the wiki, but I think culturally, militarily, and in terms of language, it would be a good fit. Also, there is a geographic connection that makes sense...the Indigo Islands (shown as Indigo Island on the IDU map).

While I'm going through your wiki content, can you tell me a little more on the Indigo Islands?
I'm thinking of requesting a spot on the map northeast of Indigo Island, because culturally and geographically, that makes sense to me. I'm hoping for a tropical or subtropical climate for Maraix, so I guess I'm wondering if you think that is possible, given its placement relative to Indigo.

Of course it's up to Gardavasque, but since Maraix Island is so small, I hope a simple call-out can be placed on the map indicating its location (it wouldn't have to depict landforms).


Re: Maraix: Independence! (Seeking two nations for foreign relations) - Legionas - 06-27-2020

Maraix post_id=21527 time=1593195867 user_id=898 Wrote:
The Federation of Legionas post_id=21525 time=1593178097 user_id=598 Wrote:Interesting, I'm also very impressed as to the level of detail you've been able to create. It's always great to see someone go for a more interesting approach when it comes to roleplaying.

The Federation of Legionas would like to serve as either country A or country B although I'm leaning more towards B. We are a Federal Republic under a Constitutional Monarchy with a population of around 123 million citizens with a highly developed and strong economy, (The Largest in Catica, I believe) as well as a massive military, which would be able to adequately protect your Islands from foreign aggressors. Feel free to ask me anything if need be!

The link to the wiki of Legionas is linked below.
https://www.theidu.us/wiki/Legionas

Hello! I think Legionas would be great as Country B, actually. I'm still going through the wiki, but I think culturally, militarily, and in terms of language, it would be a good fit. Also, there is a geographic connection that makes sense...the Indigo Islands (shown as Indigo Island on the IDU map).

While I'm going through your wiki content, can you tell me a little more on the Indigo Islands?
  • Are they inhabited? It makes sense to me that, if Maraix Island were sailing distance from Indigo, Laeral might contract with Legionas to provide services to Maraix – certain cargo ships that go to Indigo could take a leg out to Maraix, military vessels stationed at Indigo could be diverted to Maraix, if needed, people traveling to Maraix could fly into Indigo and sail to Maraix, etc. It also makes sense that there could be cultural connections forged between Indigo and Maraix, as they would be each other's closest neighbors out in the Tenebric.
  • What is the climate of Indigo? I read some back threads in the forum about ecology, but it was a bit unclear to me where the tropics and subtropics fall on this map.
  • Is there anything else about the Indigo Islands you think I should be aware of while I am working on this?

I'm thinking of requesting a spot on the map northeast of Indigo Island, because culturally and geographically, that makes sense to me. I'm hoping for a tropical or subtropical climate for Maraix, so I guess I'm wondering if you think that is possible, given its placement relative to Indigo.

Of course it's up to Gardavasque, but since Maraix Island is so small, I hope a simple call-out can be placed on the map indicating its location (it wouldn't have to depict landforms).

The Indigo islands are a small series of islands, cays, atolls and reefs. The Main Island, North Indigo (Or the one depicted in the official map), is the largest and most populated island in the island chain.

Of the total 10 or so islands in the chain, only half of them are inhabited. North Indigo has a population of around 10,000 permanent settlers, with another 3,000 military personnel being present. The other four; West Indigo, East Indigo, Hammerhead Island and Point Rudolf have populations varying within the 500 to 3,500 mark with Point Rudolf having the smallest population, of around 500 inhabitants.

The islands generally have a cool climate, which fluctuate in a narrow temperature range. Average monthly temperatures range from around 11°C in January and February to around 6 °C in June and July, corresponding with summer and winter. The maximum temperature reached is around 24 °C (75 °F) in January, and the minimum is −5 °C in July. The annual average is around 5.6 °C.

I'm not too sure of what else you'd need to know. The North Indigo Island does operate a small airport and port. The Hampden Reef is one of the most bio-diverse living structures on Earth owing to its position at the center of the meeting point between the warm Xiomeran Current and the Cold South Tenebric Current.

I think your request for a spot North East of Indigo Island is a great spot, perhaps closer to the Equator if you want a Tropical/Sub-tropical climate. Of course the final decision comes down to the cartographer, but I think your request should be possible.


Re: Maraix: Independence! (Seeking two nations for foreign relations) - Laeral - 07-04-2020

Maraix post_id=21524 time=1593138588 user_id=898 Wrote:
Laeral post_id=21519 time=1592963046 user_id=435 Wrote:Wow Maraix! I'm quite impressed by the depth of your established roleplay information, and I'd be happy to participate in your nation's history. Playing as a microstate (the IDU's equivalent of the Pitcairn Islands, no less) is definitely a unique approach, and I look forward to seeing more of you in the IDU!

Laeral could serve as either Country A or Country B, although it seems that Country A would be more appropriate since Laeral is located in Central Hespia. Laeral is a Chinese-inspired nation that was colonized by the French during the 1700s, with a rich mercantile tradition. Laeral was a French vassal state in 1788, with a thriving merchant class that could have been sailing in the Tenebric Ocean. The left-wing government that ruled from 1922 to 1954 would have been willing to invest resources in development in Maraix. When it comes to the reason for independence, there could be many reasons- Laeral's current government isn't all that attached to tiny far-flung territories, particularly as the backlash against the vestiges of imperialism in Laeral has only grown stronger with time. I'd be glad to collaborate on RP about this with you in future! Feel free to check out my pages on the IDUwiki to see what my RP looks like, and I'd also be open to chatting further either here or on Discord!

Thank you! I'm looking forward to this and think writing from a Pitcairn-perspective will be very interesting (though there will, of course, be differences).

It would be great to have you participate – I started looking through the IDUwiki and like what you have up. Laeral has a very interesting history, and I agree that having it serve as Country A should work nicely.

I'm going to finish going through your pages on the wiki to get more concrete ideas, but I like where you are going with the reasons for independence. I'd also throw in that it is currently costing Laeral the equivalent of $3 million USD in Laeralian marks to support the island, which might make it extra unappealing to continue funding a remote vestige of imperialism. I would like to think of a precipitating event, loophole, or clause that the HOA of Maraix could use to justify declaring for independence, which they will do at the same time as they file the CCC&Rs with a Laeralian court.

A couple of thoughts that came to mind were:
  • Laeral was unaware that the band of fugitives had landed on the island until 42 years after the fact, and Tom Morrison, the surviving fugitive on the island when Laeral finally bumped into it, was only 13/14 when he arrived. Would it make sense that the Duc d'Tesse's claim on the territory was invalid because the only living proof, at the time, that it had been settled by a Laeralian was a minor when it was settled? Though, 13/14 wasn't as young in 1788 as it is today...
  • Another option: I envisioned that Tom Morrisson would not actually be Rén, Arrivée, or even a convict – while he was in the prison and ran off with the band fugitives, he was not there because of a crime of his own, but because he had a father in the prison (I'm thinking something along the lines of children living in Dickensian debtor's prisons, and/or who managed to scrounge work at the prison as errand boys for the jailers). Would it make sense that the Duc d'Tesse's claim on the territory was invalid because the living settler on the island was a foreigner, who was once in a Laeralian prison, but not because he was actually locked up there?
Hey Maraix! So sorry that I didn't respond to this earlier-- I thought that I'd already written and posted my response to it, but it must not have actually posted. Glad to hear that I can play a part in Maraix's backstory.

Of the ideas you've mentioned, I prefer the second one. Perhaps new documents surfaced showing that while people had assumed that Tom Morrisson was a Laeralian citizen (or rather, a French citizen at the time, as Laeral was part of the French colony of High Fells) he in fact was not-- he had been born elsewhere, and simply worked or lived at the prison in the Dickensian sense you mentioned.


Re: Maraix: Independence! (Seeking two nations for foreign relations) - Maraix - 10-15-2020

Hi, Laeral and Legionas! Thanks so much for your replies! Obviously, I went a little AWOL because of the pandemic (I posted a mea culpa to the discord). But I read what you both posted and I've still been thinking about this. I want to get back to working on my factbook and getting involved in the board.

Laeral, I thought about your last post and the legal basis for independence. I thought about this backstory:


[box]Long believed to be the only son of Thomas Morrison, an immigrant dock worker at Auvergne, and Marie Savatier, daughter of a farmer near St. Clair, recent research revealed that Tom was the adopted son, of unknown origin, of Thomas and Marie, most likely a foundling picked up by Thomas at the Auvergne docks.

Historic baptism records for Tom Morrison, dated June 8, 1783, at the Église Saint-Pierre in Auvergne list him as the son of Thomas Morrison and Marie Savatier, but include notations of “enf. trouvé” (“foundling”) and “ne parle” (“unspeaking”).

A more recent discovery, uncovered by a professor of history at the Laeralian International University, identified a reference to young Tom Morrison in records kept by Soeur Marie-José Bouchard, a nun (later Prioress) at the Couvent de St. Clair, who cared for Marie Savatier at the convent during the typhoid outbreak of 1784. The notation, dated January 1784, reads (translated):

“The wife of Morrison begs the nuns to protect her son from his barbaric tongue by teaching him French, and to write to her father, the farmer Savatier, for permission to send her younger sister to Auvergne to help care for the boy.”

Subsequent historical, genealogical, and literary research uncovered evidence supporting the assertion that Tom Morrison spoke neither English nor French, the language of his parents, as his first tongue, and that it was possible he arrived at the Auvergne docks either as a stowaway from an unknown country or as a child abandoned by an itinerant sailor.

The most recent breakthrough involved genetic tests comparing the DNA of two Maraixian descendants of Tom Morrison with a likely descendant of Marie-Anne Morrison (daughter of Thomas and Marie) and known descendants of the Savatiers in St. Clair, resulting in evidence confirming the likelihood that Tom Morrission was not biologically related to Thomas and Marie, and early evidence suggesting he or his ancestors originated outside of Hespia.

It was on the basis of this evidence, particularly the DNA findings, that the HOA of Maraix filed legal documents in Laeral establishing the island’s independence.[/box]


How does this sound to you? Tom was allowed to work at the prison when Thomas, his only living adoptive parent, was imprisoned there, and it had since been assumed he was Thomas' biological son.

Would this fly, legally, in Laeral, as Tom was the only surviving fugitive left on the island when one of Duchesse Marie-Therese's merchant vessels finally bumped into the island in 1830?


Re: Maraix: Independence! (Seeking two nations for foreign relations) - Maraix - 10-17-2020

I've been working on the factbook and have these key points drafted that impact both of you. Laeral and Legionas, let me know if anything here doesn't fit with your nations or you'd like tweaked:

Both your factbooks were great and were fun to read. Let me know if there's anything in the above list you think should be changed.